Discussion:
AA Boeing 777 DC power source under seat
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2007 May
2007-05-31 16:45:55 UTC
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Yesterday, I flew American Airline flight #137 on a Boeing 777 from
London Heathrow to LAX on economy seats.
On the overhead compartment door, there is a label "DC power source under
seat". I looked but was unable to find this power source.

Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
What is the sharp of this plug should be?
Can I use it to charge laptop and cell phone and use for portable DVD
players?
Is this power source for all domestic and international airlines?
How can I find more info? Thank you.
Joel Kolstad
2007-05-31 17:08:46 UTC
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Post by 2007 May
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
It's ~15V at up to ~75W in most cases. See more here:
http://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power.php

If you walk into a Frys or CompUSA and purchase a Targus or iGo "automobile"
power adapter for your laptop, it'll most likely be usable with the Empower
connector as well: The 12V cigarette lighter plug snaps onto the Empower plug.
(Check out their web sites for more info as well.)
Post by 2007 May
Can I use it to charge laptop and cell phone and use for portable DVD
players?
Yes.
Post by 2007 May
Is this power source for all domestic and international airlines?
No, of course not.

---Joel
Jan Panteltje
2007-05-31 18:17:43 UTC
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On a sunny day (Thu, 31 May 2007 10:08:46 -0700) it happened "Joel Kolstad"
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by 2007 May
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
http://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power.php
Ooops, you mean 75W DC power, so people can do electrolysis on their water bottle
and then DETONATE the H / O2??
:-)

Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....

Osamama
Homer J Simpson
2007-05-31 19:49:49 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Spehro Pefhany
2007-05-31 21:10:40 UTC
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:49:49 GMT, the renowned "Homer J Simpson"
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
Joerg
2007-05-31 22:40:35 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:49:49 GMT, the renowned "Homer J Simpson"
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
I stopped bringing the real good stuff. Like burgers I barbequed the
night before. When I opened my lunch bag on a SWA flight some of the
passengers near me almost started to drool, just from the scent. One of
them said I should bring at least 15 burgers if I did that again.
--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
Spehro Pefhany
2007-05-31 23:48:29 UTC
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:40:35 GMT, the renowned Joerg
Post by Joerg
Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:49:49 GMT, the renowned "Homer J Simpson"
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
I stopped bringing the real good stuff. Like burgers I barbequed the
night before. When I opened my lunch bag on a SWA flight some of the
passengers near me almost started to drool, just from the scent. One of
them said I should bring at least 15 burgers if I did that again.
Figure maybe $8 per burger, you could pay for the flight!
Joerg
2007-05-31 22:53:36 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:40:35 GMT, the renowned Joerg
Post by Joerg
Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:49:49 GMT, the renowned "Homer J Simpson"
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
I stopped bringing the real good stuff. Like burgers I barbequed the
night before. When I opened my lunch bag on a SWA flight some of the
passengers near me almost started to drool, just from the scent. One of
them said I should bring at least 15 burgers if I did that again.
Figure maybe $8 per burger, you could pay for the flight!
I'd have to sell a nice Porter along with each because it's last minute
full fare, usually :-)
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Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
Homer J Simpson
2007-05-31 23:20:15 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
Post by Homer J Simpson
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
You miss the point. Like a movie theatre, you may NOT bring any of your own
food on board, you must buy it from the hostess/server or do without.

=============================================

Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?

No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).

On the other hand, Skybus flights are very, very comfortable partly because
you can buy delicious snacks and beverages you actually want during your
flight. Or not. It's your choice.

To keep everything tidy and organized, we do ask that you finish any snacks
and drinks you purchase on your own before boarding, as you are not
permitted to bring them on our aircraft.
Joerg
2007-06-01 00:02:50 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Spehro Pefhany
Post by Homer J Simpson
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
You miss the point. Like a movie theatre, you may NOT bring any of your own
food on board, you must buy it from the hostess/server or do without.
=============================================
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
So? Maybe you conveniently develop a medical condition shortly before a
flight that only allows you to eat buffalo hunted north of Upper
Senduskee, grilled over mesquite wood from Oregon. Can Skybus supply that?
Post by Homer J Simpson
On the other hand, Skybus flights are very, very comfortable partly because
you can buy delicious snacks and beverages you actually want during your
flight. Or not. It's your choice.
To keep everything tidy and organized, we do ask that you finish any snacks
and drinks you purchase on your own before boarding, as you are not
permitted to bring them on our aircraft.
--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
Homer J Simpson
2007-06-01 00:42:42 UTC
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Post by Joerg
Post by Homer J Simpson
You miss the point. Like a movie theatre, you may NOT bring any of your
own food on board, you must buy it from the hostess/server or do without.
So? Maybe you conveniently develop a medical condition shortly before a
flight that only allows you to eat buffalo hunted north of Upper
Senduskee, grilled over mesquite wood from Oregon. Can Skybus supply that?
My medical condition requires me to eat kosher ham sandwiches from Subway.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
2007-06-01 23:48:17 UTC
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Homer J Simpson wrote:
[snip]
Post by Homer J Simpson
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
Tell them you adhere to a strict Halal diet. Throw in a couple of "Allah
Akbar"s and see how far you get.
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Spehro Pefhany
2007-06-02 02:41:56 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:48:17 -0700, the renowned "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
Post by Paul Hovnanian P.E.
[snip]
Post by Homer J Simpson
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
Tell them you adhere to a strict Halal diet. Throw in a couple of "Allah
Akbar"s and see how far you get.
Halal and Kosher are close enough the same anyhow. Neither can eat
pork, either can chow down on mashed locusts, etc.
Jasen
2007-06-02 12:07:03 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:48:17 -0700, the renowned "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
Post by Paul Hovnanian P.E.
[snip]
Post by Homer J Simpson
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
Tell them you adhere to a strict Halal diet. Throw in a couple of "Allah
Akbar"s and see how far you get.
Halal and Kosher are close enough the same anyhow. Neither can eat
pork, either can chow down on mashed locusts, etc.
Yeah, but Halal will have the security guys paying extra attention!

Bye.
Jasen
Brian K
2007-06-02 06:30:27 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Spehro Pefhany
Post by Homer J Simpson
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
Sounds like an advantage to me, except for bottled water. I'd rather
bring along an Angus beef sandwich or a nice bagel with cream cheese
and lox than have to suffer airline food on short flights (say 8 hours
or less).
You miss the point. Like a movie theatre, you may NOT bring any of your own
food on board, you must buy it from the hostess/server or do without.
Since when? I flew Continental EWR Newark to MSP Minneapolis St Paul
during the last week of February 2007. The TSA rule is that you can't
bring food or liquid through security except that small zip loc bag of
personal items. But once you're in the secured zone you can buy
anything you want and bring it on board. Both Newark and Minneapolis St
Paul airports have great food courts. Flying out I brought a hot
pastrami on rye and a root beer with no objection by the flight crew.
On the way back I brought on a really great burger, virgin piƱa colada,
and a slice of Key Lime pie from Chillie's. Once again no one in the
flight crew made any objections.
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Post by Homer J Simpson
=============================================
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
On the other hand, Skybus flights are very, very comfortable partly because
you can buy delicious snacks and beverages you actually want during your
flight. Or not. It's your choice.
To keep everything tidy and organized, we do ask that you finish any snacks
and drinks you purchase on your own before boarding, as you are not
permitted to bring them on our aircraft.
Mxsmanic
2007-06-02 10:17:12 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
You miss the point. Like a movie theatre, you may NOT bring any of your own
food on board, you must buy it from the hostess/server or do without.
=============================================
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
On the other hand, Skybus flights are very, very comfortable partly because
you can buy delicious snacks and beverages you actually want during your
flight. Or not. It's your choice.
To keep everything tidy and organized, we do ask that you finish any snacks
and drinks you purchase on your own before boarding, as you are not
permitted to bring them on our aircraft.
Just tell the airline that the food you're bringing on board is required by
your religious beliefs. If they allow this for Jews and Muslims, they must
allow it for everyone or risk lawsuits.
Michael A. Terrell
2007-06-02 10:42:41 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Homer J Simpson
You miss the point. Like a movie theatre, you may NOT bring any of your own
food on board, you must buy it from the hostess/server or do without.
=============================================
Policy: Can I bring my own food or drinks on board?
No. Skybus fares are very, very low in part because that's all you're paying
for: your air fare. That means no free peanuts. (Actually, no one seems to
miss them). And we ask that you not bring your own food or drinks on board.
The only exception is for passengers who will need food that we're unable to
provide, for example baby formula or baby food, special food for those with
a medical condition such as diabetes or severe food allergies, or those with
dietary restrictions (Kosher, Muslim, etc).
On the other hand, Skybus flights are very, very comfortable partly because
you can buy delicious snacks and beverages you actually want during your
flight. Or not. It's your choice.
To keep everything tidy and organized, we do ask that you finish any snacks
and drinks you purchase on your own before boarding, as you are not
permitted to bring them on our aircraft.
Just tell the airline that the food you're bringing on board is required by
your religious beliefs. If they allow this for Jews and Muslims, they must
allow it for everyone or risk lawsuits.
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Mxsmanic
2007-06-02 11:14:53 UTC
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Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Allowing one religion but not another would get them into all sorts of
trouble.
Spehro Pefhany
2007-06-02 12:44:35 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:14:53 +0200, the renowned Mxsmanic
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Allowing one religion but not another would get them into all sorts of
trouble.
See, for example:

http://blog.au.org/2007/05/31/backpack-blowback-religious-right-activists-want-preferential-treatment-from-public-school-forum-they-created/
Dave Witmarsh
2007-06-02 12:10:16 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Allowing one religion but not another would get them into all sorts of
trouble.
So you *do* think that you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried
chicken and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard?
Spehro Pefhany
2007-06-02 13:28:35 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:10:16 +1000, the renowned Dave Witmarsh
Post by Dave Witmarsh
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Allowing one religion but not another would get them into all sorts of
trouble.
So you *do* think that you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried
Sure, if you want to eat that kind of cr*p. As long as most of the
people are obedient they make their money.
Post by Dave Witmarsh
chicken and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard?
You are Dan Quayle AICM5GBP.
Michael A. Terrell
2007-06-02 13:15:55 UTC
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Post by Dave Witmarsh
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Allowing one religion but not another would get them into all sorts of
trouble.
So you *do* think that you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried
chicken and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard?
No, for a number of reasons:

1, I haven't been on a plane since August 22, 1974.
2. I can't take a long flight due to circulation problems in my legs
3. I don't want to fly, because there is no place that I want to see
bad enough to taker any long trip.
4. I don't have the money to waste on a plane ticket.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Deeply Filled Mortician
2007-06-03 19:25:01 UTC
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Make credence recognised that on Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:10:16 +1000, Dave
Post by Dave Witmarsh
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Allowing one religion but not another would get them into all sorts of
trouble.
So you *do* think that you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried
chicken and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard?
Are you new to Mixi? It appears so.
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Deeply Filled Mortician
2007-06-03 19:24:07 UTC
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Make credence recognised that on Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:14:53 +0200,
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Can you play golf on a plane?
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Michael A. Terrell
2007-06-03 21:09:29 UTC
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Post by Deeply Filled Mortician
Make credence recognised that on Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:14:53 +0200,
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Michael A. Terrell
Do you really think you can fool them by claiming to belong to the
"Church of Bubba", just so you can bring a huge bucket of fried chicken
and a gallon of mashed potatos aboard? :)
You don't have to fool them. You don't have to prove that you're Jewish or
Muslim; therefore you don't have to prove that you belong to the Church of
Bubba. And if your religion dictates that you eat only fried chicken, they
cannot object unless they object to all _other_ religious practices as well.
Can you play golf on a plane?
If you have the balls.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Mxsmanic
2007-06-03 21:33:25 UTC
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Post by Deeply Filled Mortician
Can you play golf on a plane?
Playing golf has nothing to do with religious discrimination.
Deeply Filled Mortician
2007-06-04 09:32:48 UTC
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Make credence recognised that on Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:33:25 +0200,
Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Deeply Filled Mortician
Can you play golf on a plane?
Playing golf has nothing to do with religious discrimination.
It's a religion to many. They should be allowed to play on the plane.
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William Black
2007-06-04 12:28:00 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Post by Deeply Filled Mortician
Can you play golf on a plane?
Playing golf has nothing to do with religious discrimination.
Oh I don't know.

Try joining a posh golf club in England while Jewish...
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
sharx35
2007-06-01 07:19:42 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND
you can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal
breaker)!!
Why are you such a cheap prick? Do you bring your own food into a
restaurant?
NotABushSupporter
2007-06-01 08:09:41 UTC
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Post by sharx35
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND
you can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal
breaker)!!
Why are you such a cheap prick? Do you bring your own food into a
restaurant?
Perhaps he goes to restaurants that serve food that he wants.
Homer J Simpson
2007-06-02 01:19:40 UTC
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Post by sharx35
Post by Homer J Simpson
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND
you can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal
breaker)!!
Why are you such a cheap prick? Do you bring your own food into a
restaurant?
"Airline Food" = oxymoron.
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2007-06-02 14:47:03 UTC
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Post by sharx35
Why are you such a cheap prick? Do you bring your own food into a
restaurant?
These are two totally different activities.
You go to a restaurant to buy eat food served to eat.
You go on an airplane to travel to another place. You should be able to
either buy food onboard or bring your own.
However, a flying restaurant to travel, is another story.
YD
2007-06-04 00:59:48 UTC
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Post by sharx35
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND
you can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal
breaker)!!
Why are you such a cheap prick? Do you bring your own food into a
restaurant?
Restaurants don't fly up, up and away.

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Geoff Glave
2007-06-03 17:51:55 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
And on SkyBus you have to pay for all of those - and it isn't cheap. AND you
can't bring your own food on board (which IMO sucks and is a deal breaker)!!
A deal breaker in principle? i.e. if Skybus was $50 cheaper (or 50 Euros or
whatever) than the comeptitor, but you had to pay $10 for food as opposed to
bringing your own, would you pay the higher fare to 'teach Skybus a lesson'?

Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada
Joel Kolstad
2007-05-31 22:53:15 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased in the
"secure" area... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through
with an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the secure
area.

In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board anymore...
no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are still OK...

And they say the terrorists aren't winning?
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
2007-05-31 22:55:16 UTC
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Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased in the
"secure" area... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through
with an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the secure
area.
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board anymore...
no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are still OK...
Of course you can. Where exactly did you read this rubbish?
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Joel Kolstad
2007-05-31 23:36:07 UTC
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Post by David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
Of course you can. Where exactly did you read this rubbish?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778771.stm

It wasn't that particular article, of course -- I heard of it last time I
booked a flight a few months ago and it had some disclaimer about, "if you're
traveling to the U.K., you're basically screwed" (I wasn't...).

Apparently they've since rescinded the restrictions?
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
2007-05-31 23:41:48 UTC
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Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
Of course you can. Where exactly did you read this rubbish?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778771.stm
You're quoting a new article almost immediately after the 'plot' in
August.
Post by Joel Kolstad
It wasn't that particular article, of course -- I heard of it last time I
booked a flight a few months ago and it had some disclaimer about, "if you're
traveling to the U.K., you're basically screwed" (I wasn't...).
You were completely misinformed then. Those restrictions were rescinded
months ago- at least half a year ago. Certain liquid restrictions
remain- these are EU wide.
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(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
Joel Kolstad
2007-06-01 00:22:15 UTC
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Post by David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
You were completely misinformed then. Those restrictions were rescinded
months ago- at least half a year ago. Certain liquid restrictions
remain- these are EU wide.
Thanks for the cliarification, David -- I'll put the U.K. back on my "to do"
list. :-)
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
2007-06-01 23:54:21 UTC
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Post by David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
Of course you can. Where exactly did you read this rubbish?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778771.stm
You're quoting a new article almost immediately after the 'plot' in
August.
Post by Joel Kolstad
It wasn't that particular article, of course -- I heard of it last time I
booked a flight a few months ago and it had some disclaimer about, "if you're
traveling to the U.K., you're basically screwed" (I wasn't...).
You were completely misinformed then. Those restrictions were rescinded
months ago- at least half a year ago. Certain liquid restrictions
remain- these are EU wide.
Anyone try freezing a water bottle and claiming 'its not a liquid' at
the security check?
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2007 May
2007-06-01 04:28:50 UTC
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Also, we were charged additional 20 UK pounds (US$39.99..) each ticket
because we flew from UK airport across the Atlantic to US, or some such
explanation.
YD
2007-06-04 01:03:13 UTC
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Late at night, by candle light, "Joel Kolstad"
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)
Of course you can. Where exactly did you read this rubbish?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778771.stm
It wasn't that particular article, of course -- I heard of it last time I
booked a flight a few months ago and it had some disclaimer about, "if you're
traveling to the U.K., you're basically screwed" (I wasn't...).
Apparently they've since rescinded the restrictions?
At least the flight crews seem to have a rough time:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=273987

- YD.
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Joerg
2007-05-31 23:43:13 UTC
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Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased in the
"secure" area...
I always bring the good stuff, from home. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Place in separate large clear ziplock bags and spread out openly. Got me
some kudos a couple times. "Look, folks, this here is how it's supposed
to be."
Post by Joel Kolstad
... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through
with an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the secure
area.
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water left
in it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Post by Joel Kolstad
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board anymore...
no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are still OK...
And they say the terrorists aren't winning?
Long term they won't be winning. I grew up in Germany and they had a bad
bout with terrorism in the 70's. Really bad. Pretty frightening, I'd be
looking into the barrel of an automatic weapon every day at the border,
held by a trembling young lad from their border patrol. Did the
terrorists win? Nope. Many of them are still thinking about their
"mighty acts" behind bars. The patrol points are long gone, life went
back to normal. Except that now another set of terrorists is creeping up
and many Europeans seem blissfully unaware at this point. Or maybe they
don't want to see it, I don't know.
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Homer J Simpson
2007-06-01 00:42:42 UTC
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Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water left in
it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Couldn't just drink it on the spot?
NotABushSupporter
2007-06-01 01:17:00 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water left in
it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Couldn't just drink it on the spot?
At one point they were banning containers.
2007 May
2007-06-01 04:28:44 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by Joerg
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water left
in it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Couldn't just drink it on the spot?
Well, we flew from Rome to Paris two Saturday ago, around 7:30am, on the
security check gates into the boarding area. This Parisian lady was drinking
a half quart orange juice, holding up the entire X-ray checking line. The
young Italian lad behind her was rolling his eyes and cursing. The screener
was waving her to throw away this juice carton. She just ignored everybody
and drank the entire carton. What a scene to remember my vacation.....
Charlie Edmondson
2007-06-01 17:36:54 UTC
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Post by Joerg
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased in
the "secure" area...
I always bring the good stuff, from home. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Place in separate large clear ziplock bags and spread out openly. Got me
some kudos a couple times. "Look, folks, this here is how it's supposed
to be."
Post by Joel Kolstad
... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through with
an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the secure
area.
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water left
in it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Post by Joel Kolstad
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board
anymore... no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are
still OK...
And they say the terrorists aren't winning?
Long term they won't be winning. I grew up in Germany and they had a bad
bout with terrorism in the 70's. Really bad. Pretty frightening, I'd be
looking into the barrel of an automatic weapon every day at the border,
held by a trembling young lad from their border patrol. Did the
terrorists win? Nope. Many of them are still thinking about their
"mighty acts" behind bars. The patrol points are long gone, life went
back to normal. Except that now another set of terrorists is creeping up
and many Europeans seem blissfully unaware at this point. Or maybe they
don't want to see it, I don't know.
last trip I found out that pudding cups were verbotten... :-(

Charlie
J***@gmail.com
2007-06-01 17:46:04 UTC
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Post by Joel Kolstad
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's
been purchased in the "secure" area...
According to the official TSA (Transportation Security Administration)
site, food is also allowed through checkpoints as long as it's wrapped
or in a container (so there's no danger of it spilling when going
throught the x-ray machine). The rules about beverages are more
restrictive.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1667.shtm

James
Joerg
2007-06-01 19:46:36 UTC
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Post by Charlie Edmondson
Post by Joerg
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased in
the "secure" area...
I always bring the good stuff, from home. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Place in separate large clear ziplock bags and spread out openly. Got
me some kudos a couple times. "Look, folks, this here is how it's
supposed to be."
Post by Joel Kolstad
... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through with
an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the
secure area.
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water
left in it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Post by Joel Kolstad
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board
anymore... no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are
still OK...
And they say the terrorists aren't winning?
Long term they won't be winning. I grew up in Germany and they had a
bad bout with terrorism in the 70's. Really bad. Pretty frightening,
I'd be looking into the barrel of an automatic weapon every day at the
border, held by a trembling young lad from their border patrol. Did
the terrorists win? Nope. Many of them are still thinking about their
"mighty acts" behind bars. The patrol points are long gone, life went
back to normal. Except that now another set of terrorists is creeping
up and many Europeans seem blissfully unaware at this point. Or maybe
they don't want to see it, I don't know.
last trip I found out that pudding cups were verbotten... :-(
Probably too close to gels and pastes where havoc could be wreaked with.

I try to be easy on the TSA folks and only carry stuff where it's pretty
obvious that it won't pose a risk. A home made burger that looks like
burger and smells like burger seems to be quite convincing regarding its
innocence. Except that it creates a drooling effect.
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http://www.analogconsultants.com
Charlie Edmondson
2007-06-01 22:00:31 UTC
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Post by Joerg
Post by Charlie Edmondson
Post by Joerg
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased
in the "secure" area...
I always bring the good stuff, from home. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Place in separate large clear ziplock bags and spread out openly. Got
me some kudos a couple times. "Look, folks, this here is how it's
supposed to be."
Post by Joel Kolstad
... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through with
an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the
secure area.
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water
left in it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Post by Joel Kolstad
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board
anymore... no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are
still OK...
And they say the terrorists aren't winning?
Long term they won't be winning. I grew up in Germany and they had a
bad bout with terrorism in the 70's. Really bad. Pretty frightening,
I'd be looking into the barrel of an automatic weapon every day at
the border, held by a trembling young lad from their border patrol.
Did the terrorists win? Nope. Many of them are still thinking about
their "mighty acts" behind bars. The patrol points are long gone,
life went back to normal. Except that now another set of terrorists
is creeping up and many Europeans seem blissfully unaware at this
point. Or maybe they don't want to see it, I don't know.
last trip I found out that pudding cups were verbotten... :-(
Probably too close to gels and pastes where havoc could be wreaked with.
I try to be easy on the TSA folks and only carry stuff where it's pretty
obvious that it won't pose a risk. A home made burger that looks like
burger and smells like burger seems to be quite convincing regarding its
innocence. Except that it creates a drooling effect.
Yeah, I usually travel with a 'goodie' bag, containing M&Ms, cashews,
some dried fruit (usually apples or apricots), and some ham or other
long lasting meat and some cheese. Most of the flights out of Palm
Springs don't have any service at all...

Charlie
Joerg
2007-06-01 22:10:50 UTC
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Post by Charlie Edmondson
Post by Joerg
Post by Charlie Edmondson
Post by Joerg
Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased
in the "secure" area...
I always bring the good stuff, from home. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Place in separate large clear ziplock bags and spread out openly.
Got me some kudos a couple times. "Look, folks, this here is how
it's supposed to be."
Post by Joel Kolstad
... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through
with an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in
the secure area.
Worked for me, so far. But the first time I had a wee bit of water
left in it and they took it away even though it was under 3oz.
Post by Joel Kolstad
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board
anymore... no laptops, DVD players, food, etc... I guess books are
still OK...
And they say the terrorists aren't winning?
Long term they won't be winning. I grew up in Germany and they had a
bad bout with terrorism in the 70's. Really bad. Pretty frightening,
I'd be looking into the barrel of an automatic weapon every day at
the border, held by a trembling young lad from their border patrol.
Did the terrorists win? Nope. Many of them are still thinking about
their "mighty acts" behind bars. The patrol points are long gone,
life went back to normal. Except that now another set of terrorists
is creeping up and many Europeans seem blissfully unaware at this
point. Or maybe they don't want to see it, I don't know.
last trip I found out that pudding cups were verbotten... :-(
Probably too close to gels and pastes where havoc could be wreaked with.
I try to be easy on the TSA folks and only carry stuff where it's
pretty obvious that it won't pose a risk. A home made burger that
looks like burger and smells like burger seems to be quite convincing
regarding its innocence. Except that it creates a drooling effect.
Yeah, I usually travel with a 'goodie' bag, containing M&Ms, cashews,
some dried fruit (usually apples or apricots), and some ham or other
long lasting meat and some cheese. Most of the flights out of Palm
Springs don't have any service at all...
That would cause me to gain weight just by looking into the goodie bag.
Our flights out of MSF are similar, mostly no food except maybe peanuts.
Then again I can book a last minute to a client in Southern Cal and
still pay only about $250.
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http://www.analogconsultants.com
NotABushSupporter
2007-06-01 00:18:52 UTC
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Post by Joel Kolstad
Post by Jan Panteltje
Water bottles forbiden from now on, oops, thea and coffee too....
Here in the U.S. water and other food is OK if it's been purchased in the
"secure" area... and I think *most* airport screeners would let you through
with an empty bottle that you filled from the water fountains in the secure
area.
In the U.K. I've read that you can't really take anything on board anymore...
no laptops, DVD players, food, etc...
WRONG
James Robinson
2007-05-31 17:11:37 UTC
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Post by 2007 May
Yesterday, I flew American Airline flight #137 on a Boeing 777 from
London Heathrow to LAX on economy seats.
On the overhead compartment door, there is a label "DC power source
under seat". I looked but was unable to find this power source.
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source &
max current or wattage?
What is the sharp of this plug should be?
Can I use it to charge laptop and cell phone and use for portable DVD
players?
Is this power source for all domestic and international airlines?
How can I find more info? Thank you.
Each airline makes their own decision on the type of power source they
provide, and where they place the outlets in their aircraft. Seatguru
is a good place to see what is available on various aircraft and
airlines. Here is the link to a typical arrangment in American
Airlines' 777 fleet:

http://tinyurl.com/bmdo4

You can tell where the power points are by the dots on the seat chart.
You can get more information on the type by clicking on the image of the
plug toward the top of the page.

Here is a link to a general discussion of the various types of onboard
power sources:

http://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power.php

In the case of American's 777, they offer a standard cigarette style
jack, like you would find in an automobile. It is rated at 15 volts DC,
and 75 Watts. Therefore, anything that you could plug into your car
cigarette lighter, that draws less than 75 Watts (5 Amps), can be used
on the aircraft.
2007 May
2007-06-01 04:29:00 UTC
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Post by James Robinson
Each airline makes their own decision on the type of power source they
provide, and where they place the outlets in their aircraft. Seatguru
is a good place to see what is available on various aircraft and
airlines. Here is the link to a typical arrangment in American
http://tinyurl.com/bmdo4
You can tell where the power points are by the dots on the seat chart.
You can get more information on the type by clicking on the image of the
plug toward the top of the page.
Here is a link to a general discussion of the various types of onboard
http://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power.php
In the case of American's 777, they offer a standard cigarette style
jack, like you would find in an automobile. It is rated at 15 volts DC,
and 75 Watts. Therefore, anything that you could plug into your car
cigarette lighter, that draws less than 75 Watts (5 Amps), can be used
on the aircraft.
OK, I was sitting at 21C. That's why I couldn't find the plug. Thank you.
Spehro Pefhany
2007-05-31 18:15:36 UTC
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:45:55 -0700, the renowned "2007 May"
Post by 2007 May
Yesterday, I flew American Airline flight #137 on a Boeing 777 from
London Heathrow to LAX on economy seats.
On the overhead compartment door, there is a label "DC power source under
seat". I looked but was unable to find this power source.
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
What is the sharp of this plug should be?
Can I use it to charge laptop and cell phone and use for portable DVD
players?
Is this power source for all domestic and international airlines?
How can I find more info? Thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISPSS
Joerg
2007-05-31 17:32:53 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:45:55 -0700, the renowned "2007 May"
Post by 2007 May
Yesterday, I flew American Airline flight #137 on a Boeing 777 from
London Heathrow to LAX on economy seats.
On the overhead compartment door, there is a label "DC power source under
seat". I looked but was unable to find this power source.
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
What is the sharp of this plug should be?
Can I use it to charge laptop and cell phone and use for portable DVD
players?
Is this power source for all domestic and international airlines?
How can I find more info? Thank you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISPSS
Can you just plug in or do you have to slide your credit card first?
--
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http://www.analogconsultants.com
James Robinson
2007-05-31 19:15:43 UTC
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Post by Joerg
Can you just plug in or do you have to slide your credit card first?
At the moment, they are free, though the thought of charging probably
hasn't escaped the attention of the airline.
Joerg
2007-05-31 19:51:58 UTC
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Post by James Robinson
Post by Joerg
Can you just plug in or do you have to slide your credit card first?
At the moment, they are free, though the thought of charging probably
hasn't escaped the attention of the airline.
Maybe like the showers in cheap hotel in the UK. When I was a kid I had
my sobering experience there. The boiler was at the end of the hallway.
So you had to insert a coin and then run back to the shower. Almost when
finished the dang thing suddenly turned ice-cold.
--
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http://www.analogconsultants.com
Spehro Pefhany
2007-05-31 21:27:56 UTC
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:51:58 GMT, the renowned Joerg
Post by Joerg
Post by James Robinson
Post by Joerg
Can you just plug in or do you have to slide your credit card first?
At the moment, they are free, though the thought of charging probably
hasn't escaped the attention of the airline.
Maybe like the showers in cheap hotel in the UK. When I was a kid I had
my sobering experience there. The boiler was at the end of the hallway.
So you had to insert a coin and then run back to the shower. Almost when
finished the dang thing suddenly turned ice-cold.
Reminds me of this "heating on demand" water heater mounted in a
shower in a fairly modern China residence type hotel:
Loading Image...

Note the 240V electric outlet and open gas flame (showing through the
slots), gas exhaust, metal parts etc. *inside* the shower. Some
exclamation marks after the characters in the photocopied instructions
too. Lots of ways to die from that contraption.

Electronic ignition. Shut the water off and the gas flame is
immediately extinguished. The left knob says big/small flame, and the
right knob says big/small water flow. I forget what the middle one did
(a rotary switch, I thing).
Joerg
2007-05-31 21:29:11 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:51:58 GMT, the renowned Joerg
Post by Joerg
Post by James Robinson
Post by Joerg
Can you just plug in or do you have to slide your credit card first?
At the moment, they are free, though the thought of charging probably
hasn't escaped the attention of the airline.
Maybe like the showers in cheap hotel in the UK. When I was a kid I had
my sobering experience there. The boiler was at the end of the hallway.
So you had to insert a coin and then run back to the shower. Almost when
finished the dang thing suddenly turned ice-cold.
Reminds me of this "heating on demand" water heater mounted in a
http://server2.hostingplex.com/~zstoretr/shower.jpg
Note the 240V electric outlet and open gas flame (showing through the
slots), gas exhaust, metal parts etc. *inside* the shower. Some
exclamation marks after the characters in the photocopied instructions
too. Lots of ways to die from that contraption.
Electronic ignition. Shut the water off and the gas flame is
immediately extinguished. The left knob says big/small flame, and the
right knob says big/small water flow. I forget what the middle one did
(a rotary switch, I thing).
That sure is spooky!
--
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http://www.analogconsultants.com
2007 May
2007-06-01 04:41:58 UTC
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Post by Spehro Pefhany
Reminds me of this "heating on demand" water heater mounted in a
http://server2.hostingplex.com/~zstoretr/shower.jpg
Note the 240V electric outlet and open gas flame (showing through the
slots), gas exhaust, metal parts etc. *inside* the shower. Some
exclamation marks after the characters in the photocopied instructions
too. Lots of ways to die from that contraption.
Electronic ignition. Shut the water off and the gas flame is
immediately extinguished. The left knob says big/small flame, and the
right knob says big/small water flow. I forget what the middle one did
(a rotary switch, I thing).
The left knob selects "fire power intensity" - small flame at left to large
flame at right.

The middle smaller knob selects "seasons" - points to "summer - in blue -
right" and "winter - in red - left". Wonder what it really does?

The right knob selects "water temperature" from small at left to large at
right.
Homer J Simpson
2007-06-01 05:00:14 UTC
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Post by 2007 May
The left knob selects "fire power intensity" - small flame at left to
large flame at right.
The middle smaller knob selects "seasons" - points to "summer - in blue -
right" and "winter - in red - left". Wonder what it really does?
The right knob selects "water temperature" from small at left to large at
right.
Seems all three control the temperature. Perhaps one controls the water
flow?
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Spehro Pefhany
2007-06-01 11:51:19 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:00:14 GMT, the renowned "Homer J Simpson"
Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by 2007 May
The left knob selects "fire power intensity" - small flame at left to
large flame at right.
The middle smaller knob selects "seasons" - points to "summer - in blue -
right" and "winter - in red - left". Wonder what it really does?
The right knob selects "water temperature" from small at left to large at
right.
Seems all three control the temperature. Perhaps one controls the water
flow?
The actual water flow was controlled by a water valve (tap), as usual.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
2007-06-02 00:41:44 UTC
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Post by Homer J Simpson
Post by 2007 May
The left knob selects "fire power intensity" - small flame at left to
large flame at right.
The middle smaller knob selects "seasons" - points to "summer - in blue -
right" and "winter - in red - left". Wonder what it really does?
The right knob selects "water temperature" from small at left to large at
right.
Seems all three control the temperature. Perhaps one controls the water
flow?
Possibly the maximum allowed flow. If the inlet water is cooler in the
winter, the demand heater might not be able to heat it up to the same
temperature as it could with warmer (summer) inlt water.
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.
2007-06-02 00:37:43 UTC
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Post by Joerg
Can you just plug in or do you have to slide your credit card first?
At the moment, they are free, though the thought of charging probably
hasn't escaped the attention of the airline.
The seat power (both DC and AC) can be controlled by seat. I have found
on several occasions that even if you have a seat power plug, whether it
works or not depends on whether you paid for a business class or economy
class ticket.

I was thinking of packing an extension cord in my carry on. When my
outlet in the cheap seats (inevitably ) fails to work, I'll just run it
up to the first class section and plug it in there. ;-)
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Jeff Hacker
2007-06-02 01:35:21 UTC
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Post by 2007 May
Yesterday, I flew American Airline flight #137 on a Boeing 777 from
London Heathrow to LAX on economy seats.
On the overhead compartment door, there is a label "DC power source under
seat". I looked but was unable to find this power source.
It looks like a cigarette lighter pocket from your car.
Post by 2007 May
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
I'm not sure but I think it is 110 volts
Post by 2007 May
What is the sharp of this plug should be?
AA uses the "Empower" system - you need a specific type of plug, which can
be purchased online (www.port.com, for one source)
Post by 2007 May
Can I use it to charge laptop and cell phone and use for portable DVD
players?
Not sure
Post by 2007 May
Is this power source for all domestic and international airlines?
not all. Some of the newer planes have regular 110 volt (North American
style) plugs.
Post by 2007 May
How can I find more info? Thank you.
Check the airline's web site.
NotABushSupporter
2007-06-02 06:46:05 UTC
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Post by Jeff Hacker
Post by 2007 May
Yesterday, I flew American Airline flight #137 on a Boeing 777 from
London Heathrow to LAX on economy seats.
On the overhead compartment door, there is a label "DC power source under
seat". I looked but was unable to find this power source.
It looks like a cigarette lighter pocket from your car.
Post by 2007 May
Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
current or wattage?
I'm not sure but I think it is 110 volts
I think you are confusing airline power with home AC power.
Mxsmanic
2007-06-02 10:24:14 UTC
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Post by NotABushSupporter
I think you are confusing airline power with home AC power.
Standard cabin power on most airliners is 110 VAC. The DC power provided by
ISPSS is a new development and comes in addition to the standard power, which
is still used for things like the galley.
NotABushSupporter
2007-06-03 01:45:34 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Post by NotABushSupporter
I think you are confusing airline power with home AC power.
Standard cabin power on most airliners is 110 VAC. The DC power provided by
ISPSS is a new development and comes in addition to the standard power, which
is still used for things like the galley.
The question he was answer was not about galley power.

Question:

"> Can you tell me what is the DC power voltage of this power source & max
Post by Mxsmanic
current or wattage? "
He was clearly asking about DC power at the seat, which is NOT 110 V.
Mxsmanic
2007-06-03 01:59:43 UTC
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Post by NotABushSupporter
He was clearly asking about DC power at the seat, which is NOT 110 V.
But "airline power" is.
NotABushSupporter
2007-06-03 09:07:34 UTC
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Post by Mxsmanic
Post by NotABushSupporter
He was clearly asking about DC power at the seat, which is NOT 110 V.
But "airline power" is.
OK. But the question he asked was about DC power at the seat. The power
output of an AC outlet in the galley is not a relevant answer.

It's a bit like asking, "what color is your father's car?" and getting
response, "My brother's car is blue."
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